From francisco@ncssm.edu  Fri Sep  1 16:27:44 2000
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:27:44 -0400
From: Francisco, Megan (was Beall) francisco@ncssm.edu
Subject: NCSSM Graduation Date

The following is an announcement concerning NCSSM graduation from our
Executive Director, Dr. Gerald Boarman.

Feel free to contact me with any questions,
Megan Francisco, '95
Interim Head of Communications, NCSSM

>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	Boarman, Jerry  
> Sent:	Friday, September 01, 2000 9:44 AM
> To:	_All Students; _All Staff
> Subject:	
> 
> A number of students and staff have asked me to review the calendar
> concerning the date for graduation. After receiving input from staff and
> students as well as parents about  travel schedules and work schedules for
> relatives of our graduates we have decided to revert to the original
> saturday graduation schedule. Please notify anyone who is a member of our
> community or who has an interest in our graduation ceremony that
> graduation will be on saturday, June 2, 2001. I hope everyone has a
> wonderful extended holiday and I look forward to seeing you on tuesday.
> 
> Dr. Boarman  




From makeamil@earthlink.net  Wed Sep 13 15:41:34 2000
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:41:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Wanda Thomas makeamil@earthlink.net
Subject: (no subject)

Please make sure to change my email address from makeamil@mindspring.com to
make_a_mil@msn.com.
Thanks


 





From francisco@ncssm.edu  Mon Sep 18 18:04:30 2000
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:04:30 -0400
From: Francisco, Megan francisco@ncssm.edu
Subject: Alumni Event - Washington

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There will be an alumni gathering in Washington, DC on Thursday, October 12.
Click on the following link to find out more information.

Classes of '85, '90, '95, hope to see you at the reunion this weekend. It's
not too late to RSVP!

See you soon,
Megan Beall Francisco, '95  
 
 http://www.ncssm.edu/AlumniParents/ontheroad.html
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From portzer@ncssm.edu  Mon Sep 18 19:58:06 2000
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:58:06 -0400
From: Portzer, Jeremy portzer@ncssm.edu
Subject: FW: Alt-Day talk by Dr. Orrin Pilkey

FYI.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Haskell [mailto:haskell@ncssm.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:55 PM
To: _All Staff
Subject: Alt-Day talk by Dr. Orrin Pilkey


On Friday morning at 11 AM, in the ETC Lecture Hall, the inaugural 
talk of the Faculty colloquium series for 2000/2001 will be given by 
Dr. Orrin Pilkey, Director of the Program for the Study of Developed 
Shorelines at Duke University. The title of his talk will be "A 
Global View of Barrier Islands, Restless Ribbons of Sand." Dr. Pilkey 
has been fighting the battle of the barrier islands of North Carolina 
for 30 years or more. He is an excellent speaker and this is a topic 
of substantial interest to North Carolinians.

All members of the NCSSM family who are available are welcome to 
attend. Come help us make the 2000/2001 Faculty Colloquium series a 
rousing success.

Thank you all in advance.

Hugh Haskell




From marc@certasaurus.com  Mon Sep 18 21:20:33 2000
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:20:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: Marc Shannon marc@certasaurus.com
Subject: SPAM from other alumni?

Did anyone else receive a piece of mail (USPS, not e-mail) from Eric Phifer at
Paine Webber?

At first, I was kind of upset at having been spammed by another alumnus, but
then as I thought about it, I was actually surprised that it hadn't happened
before this. I suspect that alumni from other schools, especially business
schools and other professional programs, probably get much more of this. One
piece in sixteen years ain't that bad.

Anyway, just thought I'd offer my two cents. Things have been pretty quiet on
this list lately.

--Marc




From Catherine.Hardee@ncmail.net  Mon Sep 18 20:27:18 2000
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:27:18 -0400
From: Catherine Hardee Catherine.Hardee@ncmail.net
Subject: SPAM from other alumni?

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I haven't received anything...

Can people get our snail mail addresses from this e-mail list?  (I'm not referring
to the .vcf card my e-mail software attaches to these messages -- I'm referring to
our actual home addresses.)

Marc Shannon wrote:

> Did anyone else receive a piece of mail (USPS, not e-mail) from Eric Phifer at
> Paine Webber?
>
> At first, I was kind of upset at having been spammed by another alumnus, but
> then as I thought about it, I was actually surprised that it hadn't happened
> before this. I suspect that alumni from other schools, especially business
> schools and other professional programs, probably get much more of this. One
> piece in sixteen years ain't that bad.
>
> Anyway, just thought I'd offer my two cents. Things have been pretty quiet on
> this list lately.
>
> --Marc
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSSM Alumni Mailing List
> alumni@ncssm.net
> http://lists.ncssm.net/mailman/listinfo/alumni

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From edest@mse.ufl.edu  Mon Sep 18 19:35:01 2000
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:35:01 GMT
From: edest@mse.ufl.edu edest@mse.ufl.edu
Subject: upcoming reunion

I would like to encourage alums of the classes '85, '90, & '95 (also 84/86,
89/91, & 94/96) who are in the Durham area to attend our upcoming reunion. 
It isn't too late to RSVP!  

Elizabeth 'Schultz' DeStephens
NCSSM 1995
 




From marc@certasaurus.com  Mon Sep 18 21:36:00 2000
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:36:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: Marc Shannon marc@certasaurus.com
Subject: SPAM from other alumni?

> Can people get our snail mail addresses from this e-mail
> list?  (I'm not referring to the .vcf card my e-mail software
> attaches to these messages -- I'm referring to our actual
> home addresses.)

No, that's not possible as the mailing list doesn't have any USPS mail
information included.

I suspect (fear?) that my address was harvested from the alumni directory
given out at the last reunion.

I should mention that the letter seemed to indicate that it was targeted for
certain classes around '84.

--Marc




From jkjacobs@earthlink.net  Tue Sep 19 00:37:05 2000
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:37:05 -0400
From: Maguire jkjacobs@earthlink.net
Subject: Alumni Event - Washington

Have fun everyone!  I was sad to see that this is a weeknight event planned to begin
during rush hour - I'm a mere 45 minutes (or so) away in Baltimore, but there's no
way I could be in DC by 6:30 on a weeknight. <pout>
julie

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ERMS Dx: 93           a11a87 Stone
Celery McArgh         208/180/130
"troop leader" to YFWC

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innovative approach.






From eric.phifer@painewebber.com  Wed Sep 20 14:46:43 2000
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:46:43 -0400
From: Eric Phifer eric.phifer@painewebber.com
Subject: Spam

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Marc and All,

Sorry if you who received my mail believed that it was spam.  If you =
read the letter, you will find that the offer of assistance in the =
financial area was made.  If that is spam, so be it.  I intended by the =
mail a genuine offer to help my classmates and an invitation to contact =
me (either at home or at work) to catch up.  I do not typically offer my =
home phone number or invitations to strangers or in general mailings. =20

I apologize if any of you feel that by dropping a letter and some =
literature in the mail I have intruded upon you.  I maintain my offer to =
catch up or to help if desired.

Wishing everyone well,

Eric

Eric B. Phifer
Financial Advisor
PaineWebber Private Client Group
3737 HSBC Center=20
Buffalo, NY 14203
Phone: 716-849-3818/800-537-7398

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Today's Topics:

  1. FW: Alt-Day talk by Dr. Orrin Pilkey (Portzer, Jeremy)
  2. SPAM from other alumni? (Marc Shannon)
  3. Re: SPAM from other alumni? (Catherine Hardee)
  4. upcoming reunion (edest@mse.ufl.edu)
  5. Re: Re: SPAM from other alumni? (Marc Shannon)
  6. Re: Alumni Event - Washington (Maguire)

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Message: 1
From: "Portzer, Jeremy" <portzer@ncssm.edu>
To: Alumni ListServe <alumni@ncssm.net>
Subject: FW: Alt-Day talk by Dr. Orrin Pilkey
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:58:06 -0400
charset=3D"iso-8859-1"

FYI.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Haskell [mailto:haskell@ncssm.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:55 PM
To: _All Staff
Subject: Alt-Day talk by Dr. Orrin Pilkey


On Friday morning at 11 AM, in the ETC Lecture Hall, the inaugural=20
talk of the Faculty colloquium series for 2000/2001 will be given by=20
Dr. Orrin Pilkey, Director of the Program for the Study of Developed=20
Shorelines at Duke University. The title of his talk will be "A=20
Global View of Barrier Islands, Restless Ribbons of Sand." Dr. Pilkey=20
has been fighting the battle of the barrier islands of North Carolina=20
for 30 years or more. He is an excellent speaker and this is a topic=20
of substantial interest to North Carolinians.

All members of the NCSSM family who are available are welcome to=20
attend. Come help us make the 2000/2001 Faculty Colloquium series a=20
rousing success.

Thank you all in advance.

Hugh Haskell


--__--__--

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:20:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: Marc Shannon <marc@certasaurus.com>
Subject: SPAM from other alumni?
To: alumni@ncssm.net

Did anyone else receive a piece of mail (USPS, not e-mail) from Eric =
Phifer at
Paine Webber?

At first, I was kind of upset at having been spammed by another alumnus, =
but
then as I thought about it, I was actually surprised that it hadn't =
happened
before this. I suspect that alumni from other schools, especially =
business
schools and other professional programs, probably get much more of this. =
One
piece in sixteen years ain't that bad.

Anyway, just thought I'd offer my two cents. Things have been pretty =
quiet on
this list lately.

--Marc


--__--__--

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:27:18 -0400
From: Catherine Hardee <Catherine.Hardee@ncmail.net>
Organization: NCDHHS -- Division of Early Intervention & Education
To: alumni@ncssm.net
Subject: Re: SPAM from other alumni?
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I haven't received anything...

Can people get our snail mail addresses from this e-mail list?  (I'm not =
referring
to the .vcf card my e-mail software attaches to these messages -- I'm =
referring to
our actual home addresses.)

Marc Shannon wrote:

> Did anyone else receive a piece of mail (USPS, not e-mail) from Eric =
Phifer at
> Paine Webber?
>
> At first, I was kind of upset at having been spammed by another =
alumnus, but
> then as I thought about it, I was actually surprised that it hadn't =
happened
> before this. I suspect that alumni from other schools, especially =
business
> schools and other professional programs, probably get much more of =
this. One
> piece in sixteen years ain't that bad.
>
> Anyway, just thought I'd offer my two cents. Things have been pretty =
quiet on
> this list lately.
>
> --Marc
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSSM Alumni Mailing List
> alumni@ncssm.net
> http://lists.ncssm.net/mailman/listinfo/alumni

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Message: 4
From: edest@mse.ufl.edu
Reply-To: edest@mse.ufl.edu
To: alumni@ncssm.net
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:35:01 GMT
Subject: upcoming reunion


I would like to encourage alums of the classes '85, '90, & '95 (also =
84/86,
89/91, & 94/96) who are in the Durham area to attend our upcoming =
reunion.=20
It isn't too late to RSVP! =20

Elizabeth 'Schultz' DeStephens
NCSSM 1995
=20


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:36:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: Marc Shannon <marc@certasaurus.com>
Subject: Re: Re: SPAM from other alumni?
To: alumni@ncssm.net

> Can people get our snail mail addresses from this e-mail
> list?  (I'm not referring to the .vcf card my e-mail software
> attaches to these messages -- I'm referring to our actual
> home addresses.)

No, that's not possible as the mailing list doesn't have any USPS mail
information included.

I suspect (fear?) that my address was harvested from the alumni =
directory
given out at the last reunion.

I should mention that the letter seemed to indicate that it was targeted =
for
certain classes around '84.

--Marc


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:37:05 -0400
From: Maguire <jkjacobs@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: jkjacobs@earthlink.net
To: "Francisco, Megan" <francisco@ncssm.edu>
Cc: Alumni ListServe <alumni@ncssm.net>
Subject: Re: Alumni Event - Washington

Have fun everyone!  I was sad to see that this is a weeknight event =
planned to begin
during rush hour - I'm a mere 45 minutes (or so) away in Baltimore, but =
there's no
way I could be in DC by 6:30 on a weeknight. <pout>
julie

--
Maguire's Universal Signature:
For use in newsgroups and other online situations...
If part of this is applicable to you, you'll recognize it.
<jkjacobs@earthlink.net>
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ICQ #: 54035938
IWG #: 708               RenGeek
NCSSM: 91             Antioch: 95
ERMS Dx: 93           a11a87 Stone
Celery McArgh         208/180/130
"troop leader" to YFWC

Please visit <http://www.thehungersite.com/> every day.
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From scotte@ncssm.edu  Sat Sep 23 02:46:59 2000
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:46:59 -0400
From: Scott, Evan scotte@ncssm.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

> Dear NCSSM Students and Staff - 
> 
> 	NCSSM is a community where there supposedly exists a freedom to
> learn and grow both academically and socially.  Being a residential high
> school, the students supposedly come first, and it is stated that we, the
> student body, are on the same level as the executive director and board of
> trustees.  Ask yourselves, "is this really the case?"  We'll answer for
> you.  It's not.
> 
> 	Many of you are disillusioned with the school; many people complain
> about a multitude of grievances and annoyances, but feel powerless to
> address these issues.  There are systemic problems with student life, a
> perceived ineffectiveness of student-based groups such as SGA and APC, and
> bizarre implementations of the judicial code.  This is blatantly shown
> through the recent addition of a "proxy server" and filtration software
> that monitors and restricts student access to knowledge and information on
> the internet.  Is such a "big brother" approach to student life what is
> needed at OUR school?  It seems to many that this is simply another aspect
> of a general distrust of students by the administration and student life
> staffs.
> 
> 	Instead of simply complaining about the problem, we consider it
> necessary to take direct and immediate action against any policy or
> implemenation that violates the trust between students and adults on
> campus.  As such, we would like to hold a speakout regarding the
> censorship and distrust of students this Wednesday, September 27th, with
> the hope of achieving immediate removal of any filtering and logging of
> students by the ITS staff.  Also, we hope that by opening a grassroots
> line of communication to the administration, student issues can begin to
> be addressed seriously and effectively.
> 
> 	Please come express your views about the community as they relate to
> student life on Wednesday, September 27th at 6:30 P.M. in the assembly
> hall.  Your presence is needed so that we can stop the censorship and
> surveillance of students!  Thank you for your time.
> 
> -- The members of AIR: Actively Instigating Reform




From bolkey@seas.upenn.edu  Sun Sep 24 02:02:00 2000
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:02:00 -0400
From: rick bolkey bolkey@seas.upenn.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

anyone know more about this.  if they're just complaining that they can't access
napster or porn, they ain't going to get far.  There are colleges that can't
handle the bandwith due to napster, let alone ncssm.




From barlowg@ncssm.net  Sun Sep 24 04:19:33 2000
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:19:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gregory J. Barlow barlowg@ncssm.net
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, rick bolkey wrote:

> anyone know more about this.  if they're just complaining that they
> can't access napster or porn, they ain't going to get far.  There are
> colleges that can't handle the bandwith due to napster, let alone
> ncssm.

All network traffic goes through the proxy.  At one point, the proxy was
blocking iluvatar.ncssm.edu (the student unix web server) in addition to
valid educational web sites.  I have talked with several NCSSM teachers
who have had this experience.  This is the problem with any similar proxy,
it eliminates the freedom that academic institutions embody.  I hear
Dr. Boarman is doing a lot of great things this year, but I believe he has
made a mistake here.  Hopefully he will recognize it.

NB: All information was obtained from current NCSSM faculty, staff, and
students

-- 
Gregory J. Barlow	http://barlow.ncssm.net
NCSSM 99		barlowg@ncssm.net
NC State		gjbarlow@eos.ncsu.edu
--
"Don't marry for money, you can borrow it cheaper"
	- Scottish Proverb





From tdcallaw@unity.ncsu.edu  Sun Sep 24 08:28:27 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:28:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: spot tdcallaw@unity.ncsu.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

>       NCSSM is a community where there supposedly exists a freedom to   
> learn and grow both academically and socially.  Being a residential high
> school, the students supposedly come first, and it is stated that we,
> the student body, are on the same level as the executive director and
> board of trustees.  Ask yourselves, "is this really the case?"  We'll
> answer for you.  It's not.

*laughing* Some things will never change. Man, I'm feeling my age with
this one. Evan seems to have some of the fire that I had when I was at
S&M.

>       Many of you are disillusioned with the school; many people       
> complain about a multitude of grievances and annoyances, but feel      
> powerless to address these issues.  There are systemic problems with   
> student life, a perceived ineffectiveness of student-based groups such 
> as SGA and APC, and bizarre implementations of the judicial code.  This
> is blatantly shown through the recent addition of a "proxy server" and
> filtration software that monitors and restricts student access to
> knowledge and information on the internet.  Is such a "big
> brother" approach to student life what is needed at OUR school?  It 
> seems to many that this is simply another aspect of a general distrust
> of students by the administration and student life staffs.

Well, some things do change. Before, my complaints were "No internet in my
dorm room" and "no implementation of judicial code", and now the students
are crying "no clean internet in my dorm room" and "bizarre implementation
of judicial code".
But is a big brother approach really necessary? As much as the hacker in
me wants to say no, perhaps it is. Maybe ITS has that proxy on a bit too
strong, but you're still students under the care of the state. They pay
the bill for those data pipes, and are responsible for what you (student
body) pumps across them. As to logging, hell, they did that when I was
there, and more than likely before then. On a public network, you should
assume that nothing is secure. Every good sysadmin logs & monitors
traffic.

>       Instead of simply complaining about the problem, we consider it 
> necessary to take direct and immediate action against any policy or
> implemenation that violates the trust between students and adults on
> campus.  As such, we would like to hold a speakout regarding the    
> censorship and distrust of students this Wednesday, September 27th, with
> the hope of achieving immediate removal of any filtering and logging of
> students by the ITS staff.  Also, we hope that by opening a grassroots
> line of communication to the administration, student issues can begin to
> be addressed seriously and effectively.

Its a wonderful thought, but I hate to say "been there, tried that". I
hope it is more successful for this class than it was for mine. All we got
was one RAship threatened, and yours truly being accused of attempting to
incite a riot.

> -- The members of AIR: Actively Instigating Reform

Hmm... always liked COPS better. A word of advice, while actively
instigating reform, remember to keep yourself grounded. Yes, a lot is
broken and needs to be fixed, but remember that a lot of things do work
right. (can anyone else believe I'm saying this?)

And no, this email isnt entirely without point. I thought it would be
appropriate to copy my opinions on the proxy issue when it was proposed on
the Parents list (NCSSMPAR on the Duke listserv), since most of the
readers of this list (and Evan) probably never saw it.

---

Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:49:26 -0500 (EST)
From: spot <tdcallaw@unity.ncsu.edu>
To: NCSSMPAR@LIST.MC.DUKE.EDU

Subject: Re: Wiring in Student Rooms

First of all, I agree entirely with Jordan's statements, as well as
supporting the majority of the comments posted, this is simply my 10
cents.
 
1) The dorms should be wired for internet access. For the record, some of
them already have the base wiring in place, namely Hunt. The benefits far
outweigh the disadvantages, and I think the school recognizes this. 
2) Some form of security/filtering needs to be placed on the indorm
internet connection. This is not going to be popular amongst the students,
but it needs to be done for a wide variety of reasons.
  A) Students should not be serving material of any type from their dorm
  room. This means no FTP servers, no web servers, no IRC servers, and
  (most unpopular), no world accessable gaming servers. The logic behind
  this should go without question. This can be achieved with filtering on
  the routers.
  B) "Questionable" material needs to be filtered out. Sorry students,
  NCSSM's t1 does not exist to supply you with porn or bomb plans. There
  are several applications that can serve to filter out these contents on
  UniDormNet.
  C) UniDormNet needs to be monitored. Properly. Not by an SLI who barely
  knows how to check his AOL mail, or by a work-service student who turns
  his head at violations. Simply the knowledge that the users are being 
  monitored constantly by people who know what they're doing is enough
  to discourage all but the most insane. If the user picture was a bell 
  curve, then monitoring effectively limits dangerous users to the
  outliers. (I had to stick some math in here somewhere) Its important to
  remember that students coming in to NCSSM are considered the best and
  brightest in the state, and computing ability is not an exclusion. 
  This leads to D...
  D) Competant administration. If the administration is weak, then the
  system is weak, and users will walk all over both the system and the
  admin. This leads to potential system damage, rendering the system
  unusable for however long it takes to repair. Not to mention the
  potential for using the system for misuse on a wider scale (internet
  denial of service attacks, etc etc.)
3) Yes, some students will find ways to circumvent filtering and security
measures, but that is not an excuse to not install these measures. The
measures will serve as enough of a deterrent to most of the users that
they won't spend large amounts of time to get around them. This is
assuming that they have other things to channel their energy into,
especially computer oriented classes. Not to get horribly off topic, but
the current state of computer related classes at NCSSM is sad. Some of the
brightest and best computer talents in the state pass through those halls
without ever being noticed by the school, unless they're labeled as
"computer vandals". If more classes existed as options for these students,
I promise you that the system would face far less security breaches and
inappropriate usage.
4) Web servers in public computing areas. I'm not sure what the logic
behind this suggestion is, but I personally cannot come up with a single
good reason for this. On campus computing can not take responsibility for
private machines placed in their domain, and they shouldn't have to. Not
to mention the concerns of theft and physical damage to machines. Even if
the web servers were placed on NCSSM owned machines, what purpose do they
serve? As Jordan pointed out, there is a Unix machine devoted to serving
student web pages, and any student can get an account. I had a webpage on
that very same machine from 96-98, and never once did I find a need for
another webserver. HOWEVER, if the need still remains, go to a free
homepage provider on the net (there are several), and build one there.
5)Network multiplayer gaming: This is going to happen whether it is
allowed on UniDormNet or not. Students have always strung cabling between
rooms and played games amongst each other. S&M students are competetive,
we've been told our entire lives that we need to be in order to be the top
of the food chain, and online gaming is an expression of this. Perhaps
times can be set aside during which online gaming will be allowed. I think
gaming should be allowed on an local network only basis, and perhaps even
encouraged on some level. Tournaments could be held for prizes, etc etc.
Some sacrifices must be made to attend NCSSM, no car, no co-ed living, and
no internet gaming.

---

Thats my opinion on the matter. :)

~tom "spot" callaway
--
NCSSM Class of 1998, voted "Most likely to embezzle money (and get away
with it)"





From seah2o@nc.rr.com  Sun Sep 24 16:43:14 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:43:14 -0400
From: Lisa seah2o@nc.rr.com
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

>But is a big brother approach really necessary? As much as the hacker in
>me wants to say no, perhaps it is. Maybe ITS has that proxy on a bit too
>strong, but you're still students under the care of the state. They pay
>the bill for those data pipes, and are responsible for what you (student
>body) pumps across them. As to logging, hell, they did that when I was
>there, and more than likely before then. On a public network, you should
>assume that nothing is secure. Every good sysadmin logs & monitors
>traffic.

Spot, I completely agree...this is reality.  Anytime someone is supplying
you with free internet, it is understood that there are privacy
risks...sometimes that's how companies make their money (researching what
you are interested in).  See also "the VIC and MVP cards".   I completely
believe in free speech and the right to internet viewing completely
unabridged for all, and can quote the _Areopagitica_ to help support the
case, but there ain't no free lunch and taxpayers probably don't want to
pay for people to view porn or whatever else II or anyone might want to
check out on the internet, and I don't expect taxpayers to pay for my
choices.  Part of becoming an adult for me was realizing that if I want
something, I have to go get it...if you really want freedom, pay for
it...pay $10 or $20 a month for your own connection.
>
>Its a wonderful thought, but I hate to say "been there, tried that". I
>hope it is more successful for this class than it was for mine. All we got
>was one RAship threatened, and yours truly being accused of attempting to
>incite a riot.
>
I have been listening here for sometime and seen that the complaints of
students has changed severely since I was a student there in the 80s.  Has
the student body changed or has history so affected the decision makers
that no class is treated with a tabula rasa tactic?

>> -- The members of AIR: Actively Instigating Reform
>
>Hmm... always liked COPS better. A word of advice, while actively
>instigating reform, remember to keep yourself grounded. Yes, a lot is
>broken and needs to be fixed, but remember that a lot of things do work
>right. (can anyone else believe I'm saying this?)

I can...yup Spot, we're becoming old fogeys. :)
>

	      "When in the East the Morning Ray
               Hangs out the Colours of the Day,
               The Bee through these known Allies hums,
               Beating the Dian with its Drumms.
               Then Flow'rs their drowsie Eylids raise,
               Their Silken Ensigns each displayes,
               And dries its Pan yet dank with Dew,
               And fills its Flask with Odours new."
				--Andrew Marvell




From jspaleta@Princeton.EDU  Sun Sep 24 22:02:55 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:02:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeffrey D. Spaleta jspaleta@Princeton.EDU
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM



On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Lisa wrote:


> I completely
> believe in free speech and the right to internet viewing completely
> unabridged for all, and can quote the _Areopagitica_ to help support the
> case, but there ain't no free lunch and taxpayers probably don't want to
> pay for people to view porn or whatever else II or anyone might want to
> check out on the internet, and I don't expect taxpayers to pay for my
> choices.  

I have to disagree here. Filtering web access for inappropriate material
is an extremely messy proposition for a public institution.  If someone
what's to filter at home, or a business wants to filter there workers
that's fine, but public networks have a duty to provide unbiased
information to all. I've kept up with the censorware development, and
every comercial implementation of filtering software over steps its bounds
and produces a number of false blocks on political, lifestyle and health
related issues.  For instance, some have blocked the ACLU and the National
Democratic Party's homepage, most block sites with content for gay and
lesbian readers, some even block critical commentary about censorware
itself, and there is the wide range of health care information that is
deemed "inappropriate".

Of course to talk about the problems with filtering in detail I would need
to know the specifics of the proxy being use. The point I want to make is
every commercial filtering product out there is biased in a very crucial
ways.  Some taxpayers might take issues with some information being
accessed, but public networks must be free to allow minority view points
to be expressed and heard.  Public institutions have a duty to provide
open access to information for all, and not just for the taboo ladened
majority. 

As for the issue of pornagraphy...what is pornagraphy?  Is there a NC
definition, and does the censorware being used use that exact definition?
Inapporiate material can not be defined in a global way, and must be
defined by the community if at all.  Again I need to know what the
filtering software is exactly to understand how well it complies with the
definitions of NC law.  I supect that what is being used holds no regard
for the NCSSM or NC definitions of inappropriate and instead NCSSM is
using whatever the commercial software thinks is appropriate.  

Do NCSSM students really need to be protected from the world?
We had bomb-making and playboys in my room, err on the hall without
internet access.

The best way to deal with this is to setup a good usage policy, and deal
with infractions on a case by case basis.  A less better way to do this
is log web access on a student by student basis and then send the logs to
the parents, who can then request the student's access be revoked if they
don't think the student is using it appropiately. 

>Part of becoming an adult for me was realizing that if I want
> something, I have to go get it...if you really want freedom, pay for
> it...pay $10 or $20 a month for your own connection.

Do the NCSSM residents have the choice to get there own connections?
Frankly I'm suprised they are allowed net connections at all..we didn't
have phones or tv in our rooms.
I would have paid for cable, phone, and net hook up if I were given the
oppurtunity.  Hell I'd imagine a floor in New Dorm (Hunt) would go in
together for a nice fat DSL line to share and set up a WAN to use if
they were allowed to do it.  

As for the issue of student run servers.  I have no problem with this
restriction, as long as students are able to use the available services
like ftp and the web when needed. The fewer people running servers, the 
fewer network security holes.  I'd be happier about it if students
were allowed to buy there own outside connections if they felt they really
needed to run a certain server.

-jef

NCSSM '93 3rd West





From seah2o@nc.rr.com  Sun Sep 24 22:31:38 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:31:38 -0400
From: Lisa seah2o@nc.rr.com
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

>On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Lisa wrote:
>
>
>> I completely
>> believe in free speech and the right to internet viewing completely
>> unabridged for all, and can quote the _Areopagitica_ to help support the
>> case, but there ain't no free lunch and taxpayers probably don't want to
>> pay for people to view porn or whatever else II or anyone might want to
>> check out on the internet, and I don't expect taxpayers to pay for my
>> choices.  
>
>I have to disagree here. Filtering web access for inappropriate material
>is an extremely messy proposition for a public institution.  

Right, but this is not a public institution...it may be paid for with some
public moneys, but also with private.  While NCSSM allows anyone to apply,
not everyone can attend.  Similarly, while this seems like a "public
network" it indeed is not--if it were truly "public" anyone could access it.

My next question relates to networks operated by public libraries and other
such "public" institutions which make network access available to any and
all...do the libraries networks have censors?

Lisa


	      "When in the East the Morning Ray
               Hangs out the Colours of the Day,
               The Bee through these known Allies hums,
               Beating the Dian with its Drumms.
               Then Flow'rs their drowsie Eylids raise,
               Their Silken Ensigns each displayes,
               And dries its Pan yet dank with Dew,
               And fills its Flask with Odours new."
				--Andrew Marvell




From jmm@computer.org  Sun Sep 24 22:34:43 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:34:43 -0400
From: James Manning jmm@computer.org
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

[Lisa]
> >I have to disagree here. Filtering web access for inappropriate material
> >is an extremely messy proposition for a public institution.  
> 
> Right, but this is not a public institution...it may be paid for with some
> public moneys, but also with private.  While NCSSM allows anyone to apply,
> not everyone can attend.  Similarly, while this seems like a "public
> network" it indeed is not--if it were truly "public" anyone could access it.

Not public network (noone is claiming that), but it is definitely a
public institution.  It is part of the UNC system (at least all the
equipment was stamped as such during my time there).  It is publically
funded (the fact that there are private donations means nothing, as it
doesn't keep NCSU, UNC-CH, etc from being public institutions).  Also,
not accepting everyone is equally irrelevant, as people get rejections
from NCSU, UNC-CH, UNC-C, etc.  NCSSM is definitely a public institution.

As a taxpayer, I hate the idea that the money the state government has
taken from me will go towards enforcing censorship on any UNC system campus.
Propogation of fascism and all that.

It hurts more that it's a place of which I am an alumnus.
-- 
James Manning <jmm@computer.org>
GPG Key fingerprint = B913 2FBD 14A9 CE18 B2B7  9C8E A0BF B026 EEBB F6E4




From the_blue_cow@hotmail.com  Sun Sep 24 15:55:12 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:55:12 AKDT
From: Jennifer E. Newport the_blue_cow@hotmail.com
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

I was fifteen when I first came to science and math.  There are many younger 
than me who go.  Should these people have access to the multitude of 
"opportunities" on the internet purely in the interest of upholding the 
second amendment (which doesn't even apply to minors)?  Everyone attending 
s&m is a minor, in some sense of the word.  Also, the process of monitoring 
the activity of students on school run networks is a common practice, one 
that students should get used to.  I know that here at CSU, all of our 
network use is monitored, specific logs are made of each room's network 
usage.  The longer I am away from science and math, the more I've come to 
realize how lucky we were and how we complained entirely too much.  I cannot 
see the reason why a person would complain about having great internet 
access for free simply because they were being monitored.  If you are using 
the network for the purposes intended, why would it even matter if they were 
keeping logs of your activity?  I can see very well where the administration 
is coming from with this.  A parent sends their child to science and math 
under the assumption that he or she will be well supervised, not allowed to 
do whatever he wants.  If the students were allowed to run free on the 
internet, the administration would be under constant bombardment of 
complaints from parents (and even some other students), which would no doubt 
cause unwanted media attention to the school.

I guess I've always sided with the administration on issues like this one, 
though.

Jennifer

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From seah2o@nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 25 01:54:34 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:54:34 -0400
From: Lisa seah2o@nc.rr.com
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

At 05:34 PM 9/24/00 -0400, James Manning wrote:
>[Lisa]
>> >I have to disagree here. Filtering web access for inappropriate material
>> >is an extremely messy proposition for a public institution.  
>> 
Okay, whoa, let's back up here and let me start from the clearing again.
We were talking about a proxy...which in itself is only a helpful item but
which, like many useful entities, can be abused.  So I guess what we really
need to know for this argument is what this specific proxy does.  Now
again, let me say, that I believe in free speech and do not believe in
censorship, and I think pornography is just as valid in its existence as
the epics of Homer.  I am not the one to say which is better or
longer-lasting (indeed pornography is even older than the Homerian epics,
but that's another discussion).  I personally think that we should all have
the right to look at and read whatever the hell we want on the internet,
but it may be that there is some legality (the waiver signed by the parents
perhaps???) that affects the way the internet is filtered for students at
NCSSM.  I'm sorry, but if you are under 18 in America, that's the way it is.

James you make an absolutely valid point about public institutions and
NCSSM being one--I'll definitely give you that one.  But again, I have to
say, we are dealing with minors and the law in this country is the law...if
I had it my way, there would be no restrictions, but that's probably why
they would never let me be the Director. :)
>
>As a taxpayer, I hate the idea that the money the state government has
>taken from me will go towards enforcing censorship on any UNC system campus.
>Propogation of fascism and all that.

I do too, but it's a choice we make living in the United States.  I hate
paying taxes and disagree with several laws, but I like living here
otherwise and won't break the law to jeopardise that...it's the price we
pay being citizens.  Hey, let's go start our own country and our own S&M
and let's all be free range on the internet. :)

	      "When in the East the Morning Ray
               Hangs out the Colours of the Day,
               The Bee through these known Allies hums,
               Beating the Dian with its Drumms.
               Then Flow'rs their drowsie Eylids raise,
               Their Silken Ensigns each displayes,
               And dries its Pan yet dank with Dew,
               And fills its Flask with Odours new."
				--Andrew Marvell




From annelincoln@wsu.edu  Mon Sep 25 01:45:53 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:45:53 -0700
From: Anne E. Lincoln annelincoln@wsu.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

From: "Jennifer E. Newport" <the_blue_cow@hotmail.com>

>The longer I am away from science and math, the more I've come to
> realize how lucky we were and how we complained entirely too much.  I
> cannot see the reason why a person would complain about having great
> internet access for free simply because they were being monitored.  If you
> are using the network for the purposes intended, why would it even matter
if
> they were keeping logs of your activity?

This sort of opinion, particularly the last sentence, scares the hell out of
me.

Anne E. Lincoln
c/o 1992

Anne E. Lincoln (annelincoln@wsu.edu)
Washington State University
Department of Sociology
http://www.wsu.edu/~lincoln





From scott@ucolick.org  Mon Sep 25 04:29:26 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:29:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Seagroves scott@ucolick.org
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM


> From: "Jennifer E. Newport" <the_blue_cow@hotmail.com>
> 
> The longer I am away from science and math, the more I've come to
> realize how lucky we were and how we complained entirely too much.  I
> cannot see the reason why a person would complain about having great
> internet access for free simply because they were being monitored.  If you
> are using the network for the purposes intended, why would it even matter
> if they were keeping logs of your activity?
>

"how lucky we were" - True, most of us were quite lucky to have taken what
we got from NCSSM.  I bet most of us agree with you on this little part.

"complained entirely too much" - True, but this is a symptom of being a
teenager in high school, and has very little to do with NCSSM itself.
We'd have complained too much no matter what we were doing.

"complain about having great internet access for free" - What a strange
way to put that sentence.  It's not as though anyone is actually upset
that their internet access is not costing them anything; *all* the
resources afforded students at NCSSM are "free" (you know what I mean ...
shared by the taxpayers, etc.)  You confuse the issue by making it sound
as though students are clamoring to pay ...

They're really complaining "simply because they are being monitored".

Ah, and then there's that gem:
"If you are using the network for the purposes intended, why would it even
matter if they were keeping logs of your activity?"

Do I have to point out the obvious questions of 
 - who defines the `intended purposes'?
 - what are the `intended purposes'?
 - who are the `they' who are allowed to monitor?
 - who else has access to logs?
 - etc.

Well, now I see the posting from Anne Lincoln on this same paragraph.  I
think she said what I mean, but much more succinctly.

Scott 

---------------------------------------------
Scott Seagroves
Dept. of Astronomy & Astrophysics, UC-Santa Cruz
UC Observatories / Lick Observatory
scott@ucolick.org
---------------------------------------------






From the_blue_cow@hotmail.com  Mon Sep 25 04:46:52 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:46:52 -0600
From: Jennifer E Newport the_blue_cow@hotmail.com
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

>when doesn't the constitution doesn't apply to minors?  I didn't see an
>"18 and over" clause in there.
>
>Also, the second amendment covers the right to bear arms, which I don't
>think is what is really getting discussed here w.r.t. internet censorship.

Goodness... thanks for bringing that up... don't know if that was just a
typo or if it was the cold medicine talking, but I meant the first
amendment.  I didn't mean that the constitution doesn't apply to minors; I
meant that in practice minors have been excluded from many amendment rights
(particularly first amendment rights) due to the fact that at an age younger
than eighteen, people are not able to make informed decisions.  (makes
sense, right?)  I never understood it.


on 9/24/00 6:45 PM, Anne E. Lincoln at annelincoln@wsu.edu wrote:
>> The longer I am away from science and math, the more I've come to
>> realize how lucky we were and how we complained entirely too much.  I
>> cannot see the reason why a person would complain about having great
>> internet access for free simply because they were being monitored.  If you
>> are using the network for the purposes intended, why would it even matter
> if
>> they were keeping logs of your activity?
> 
> This sort of opinion, particularly the last sentence, scares the hell out of
> me.


Why does this scare the hell out of you, exactly?  I severely dislike it
when people make a statement like that with no reasoning behind it, just an
opinion (a red zinger opinion at that).

I will readily admit that I am of a primarily socialist ideology, which is
going to contrast most americans' (who are, I have found, quite liberalist)
views of freedom.  A liberalist is going to believe that there should be no
censorship whatsoever, however, a socialist is going to believe that a
censorship that serves for the betterment of the community is a good thing.
For some silly reason, I see the parents and the administration trusting
each other as a good thing.  And I see the school staying in the good eyes
of the media as a good thing.  You might ask where the students fit in, but
as I see it, sometimes students just have to sit back and accept what's
going on.  Last year there was so much traffic b/c of computer games that
the network couldn't be used for work (ie:  why it is there at all) and
games had to be banned.  I was pissed.  I liked those games.  But then I
though about it, and I could actually find a computer to do work on or print
out my homework from, and if they hadn't been monitoring that stuff and
hadn't banned certain sites, the network would have been unusable to those
who needed it for work for the entire fourth quarter.

I'm not sure that I totally agree with the censorship; I would have to see
what types of sites are being censored.  However, it has to be said that the
school is trying merely to save themselves a lawsuit, which seems, to me,
intelligent.

I did hear an idea that I found to be a good one:  some sort of waiver.  But
I have gotten entirely too into this arguement when I at first meant only to
present the administration's side of this.

Goodnight,
Jennifer





From tdcallaw@unity.ncsu.edu  Mon Sep 25 06:51:36 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:51:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: spot tdcallaw@unity.ncsu.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

As always, IANAL, but I've had to ask their council enough for various
issues, including NCSSM expulsion hearings, that I'm well versed in the
lingo and terminology.

</disclaimer>

On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Scott Seagroves wrote:

> They're really complaining "simply because they are being monitored".
> 
> Ah, and then there's that gem:
> "If you are using the network for the purposes intended, why would it even
> matter if they were keeping logs of your activity?"
> 
> Do I have to point out the obvious questions of 
>  - who defines the `intended purposes'?
>  - what are the `intended purposes'?
>  - who are the `they' who are allowed to monitor?
>  - who else has access to logs?
>  - etc.

Let me answer Scott's questions.

Who defines the intended purposes? 

That would be the State of North Carolina, in representation of the
taxpayers of North Carolina. Since NCSSM is a state funded institution, it
acts as a representative of the State of North Carolina, In Loco Parentis,
with legal backing from admission forms signed by everyone who attends
NCSSM, waiving several notable legal rights. NCSSM, internally, assigns
this responsibility to ITS, who operates by committee, and under the
guidelines imposed on them by the NCSSM administration and the board of
trustees.
 
What are the intended purposes?

We can make assumptions to this until the cows come home, but a formal
statement from the school will probably be along the lines of "to prevent
inappropriate usage and ensure system security". Any systems adminstrator
on a large semi-public network will tell you that logging activity is an
essential part of the job. Use their network, recognize that there is no
privacy inherent in the system. I knew this when I was at NCSSM, theres a
reason I did a large amount of email off campus.

Who are the `they' who are allowed to monitor?

Ideally, the only ones with access to monitor the users on the network
would be ITS staff and not workservice students. ITS workservice students
changed print cartridges, refilled paper, and tagged broken PCs as "will
not be fixed until friday", and were not involved on the administrative
level of things (in my day, which is quickly a distant memory). Students
have to sign a terms of service agreement to access the network at
all (trust me, I had my john hancock waved in my face on more than one
occasion) and that TOS states that anything considered inappropriate by
ITS/NCSSM administration should not be viewed on the NCSSM network. This
TOS should tip students off that this is not an open network, but rather,
a closed network that is being monitored. (I wasnt too fond of this fact
while there, so I bypassed it, but thats another story altogether)

Who else has access to logs?

This is something the student body should find out. I would suspect it is
simply ITS and NCSSM Administration.

Let us be realists for a moment. If you're on the internet, unless you are
a top-level service provider, you pay for someone to provide you
access. These entities do logging and monitoring. Some of these entities
restrict what you can view (AOL Kids, corporate nets). If you dont like
this awareness, you can get your internet from someone else, which
admittedly, isnt much of an option for NCSSM students. But its along the 
lines of having no cars at NCSSM, you're going into an environment where
the network is monitored and proxied to prevent misuse. If this is just
too much to take, hook your PC up to the cell phones which have become
super-prominent on campus with their newly found "legality" and get on the
net that way. Sacrifice speed for freedom of access. Life is ultimately a
tradeoff.

Besides, most educational institutions are proxying their networks
today. Libraries too. I know that my home school (Northwest Cabarrus) is,
as well as the CharMeck library system. Welcome to the real world, ladies
and gentlemen, and for most of us, NCSSM was the first taste of it.

While I applaud student activism, I fear that their approach is
misdirected. Rather than condemning the proxy altogether, they should
gather evidence of the proxy's oversensitivity, and request that it
be properly leveled. They should find out what is logged, and who has
access to the logs.

(ps. sorry james, I had to do this.)

~tom "spot" callaway, NCSSM Class of 98
--
one Level 2, NCSSM Network Misuse / Disrespect for Authority :: 

	loss of	account for a semester, ~$80 equivalence

blacklisting from NCSSM sysadmin positions ::

	never was sun root, ~$5.25 equivalence, per hour for a year

look on ITS admin face when I asked if a hacker was someone who went
through the jungle with a big knife ::

	priceless.





From basket@ncssm.edu  Mon Sep 25 13:33:58 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:33:58 -0400
From: Basket, Warren basket@ncssm.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

Evan:  

 I support any student effort to question and resolve issues. However, I
would hope however that before you mobilize the campus you have taken the
time and the courtesy to contact effected individuals about your concerns
already. I certainly have not been contacted about this issue. Things are
not always as they seem. Many perceived grievances are not and many abuses
against students are not. I hope the respect you want for students is also
being extended to the adults on campus as well. As one adult who has devoted
the better part of the past 20 years to NCSSM ( I have stayed for the
students) and I know most other adults are as dedicated also, supporting
students has been a priority.

I support any student gathering to positively review policies and
procedures. I reiterate however, that I hope you have extended the courtesy
of contacting some of the listed adults above already for information before
mobilizing a community meeting.

WHB

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		Subject:	Student Censorship at NCSSM

		Dear NCSSM Students and Staff - 

			NCSSM is a community where there supposedly exists a
freedom to learn and grow both academically and socially.  Being a
residential high school, the students supposedly come first, and it is
stated that we, the student body, are on the same level as the executive
director and board of trustees.  Ask yourselves, "is this really the case?"
We'll answer for you.  It's not.

			Many of you are disillusioned with the school; many
people complain about a multitude of grievances and annoyances, but feel
powerless to address these issues.  There are systemic problems with student
life, a perceived ineffectiveness of student-based groups such as SGA and
APC, and bizarre implementations of the judicial code.  This is blatantly
shown through the recent addition of a "proxy server" and filtration
software that monitors and restricts student access to knowledge and
information on the internet.  Is such a "big brother" approach to student
life what is needed at OUR school?  It seems to many that this is simply
another aspect of a general distrust of students by the administration and
student life staffs.

			Instead of simply complaining about the problem, we
consider it necessary to take direct and immediate action against any policy
or implemenation that violates the trust between students and adults on
campus.  As such, we would like to hold a speakout regarding the censorship
and distrust of students this Wednesday, September 27th, with the hope of
achieving immediate removal of any filtering and logging of students by the
ITS staff.  Also, we hope that by opening a grassroots line of communication
to the administration, student issues can begin to be addressed seriously
and effectively.

			Please come express your views about the community
as they relate to student life on Wednesday, September 27th at 6:30 P.M. in
the assembly hall.  Your presence is needed so that we can stop the
censorship and surveillance of students!  Thank you for your time.

		-- The members of AIR: Actively Instigating Reform




From school@citynet.net  Mon Sep 25 11:51:28 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:51:28 -0400
From: Church and School of Wicca school@citynet.net
Subject: student activism

Hey there all,

Since I've been running an alternative (religious freedom) organization,
it's nice to see that there is still activism at S&M.  Diversity doesn't
mean divisiveness.  I'm sure there's a way to get to "yes", even if both
sides compromise and not everyone is happy.  Ultimately, it will probably
mean adding a few more pages to the tome that is now the rule book.  "In
loco parentis" apparently means spending your first year away from home
reading this thing now.  Thank goodness we were responsible for more rules
than we read in the early days.

All the best, Jo Frost '87





From Catherine.Hardee@ncmail.net  Mon Sep 25 14:52:45 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:52:45 -0400
From: Catherine Hardee Catherine.Hardee@ncmail.net
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

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I'm not only an alumna of NCSSM, but I'm also an employee of the State of North
Carolina.  And I'm a taxpayer (and any State of NC employee will tell you we
probably pay more in state income taxes than any other group in the state).
Speaking from all these perspectives, I'm actually surprised that filtration and
proxy hasn't been installed at NCSSM before now.  Other state employees have
been subject to it ever since we were first granted access to the Internet.

The philosophy of the filtration has nothing to do with the people who use the
equipment and everything to do with the fact that the State of North Carolina
owns the equipment.  This is true of the computers, servers, software, etc. at
NCSSM.  Allowing persons to use State-owned equipment to access questionable
sites essentially giving the State's approval for the activities of those
sites.  Do you really expect the State to condone illegal actions, or actions
that go against the public interest?

As for pornography: how many of you on this list under the age of 18 have
actually seen it?  I have, and comparing it with Homer is simply ludicrous.
It's better compared with the literature put out by hate groups such as the
Aryan Nation.  The attitudes shown in this material are certainly demeaning to
certain groups (and not just women, either).  Do you really expect the State to
condone those types of attitudes?

I would support a sober, unemotional examination of what exactly is being
filtered.  But the tone of the original letter suggests that is not going to be
the case in the September 27 meeting.  Evan, that sort of activity only
polarizes groups instead of inviting a common ground.

Perhaps a committee, including students and administration, would be a better
choice.

Just my $0.02

-- Catherine '92
(who recently got the NCSSM'92 vanity plate in North Carolina!  bwhahahahaha!)

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I'm not only an alumna of NCSSM, but I'm also an employee of the State
of North Carolina.&nbsp; And I'm a taxpayer (and any State of NC employee
will tell you we probably pay more in state income taxes than any other
group in the state).&nbsp; Speaking from all these perspectives, I'm actually
surprised that filtration and proxy hasn't been installed at NCSSM before
now.&nbsp; Other state employees have been subject to it ever since we
were first granted access to the Internet.
<p>The philosophy of the filtration has nothing to do with the people who
use the equipment and everything to do with the fact that <i>the State
of North Carolina owns the equipment</i>.&nbsp; This is true of the computers,
servers, software, etc. at NCSSM.&nbsp; Allowing persons to use State-owned
equipment to access questionable sites essentially giving the State's approval
for the activities of those sites.&nbsp; Do you really expect the State
to condone illegal actions, or actions that go against the public interest?
<p>As for pornography: how many of you on this list under the age of 18
have actually seen it?&nbsp; I have, and comparing it with Homer is simply
ludicrous.&nbsp; It's better compared with the literature put out by hate
groups such as the Aryan Nation.&nbsp; The attitudes shown in this material
are certainly demeaning to certain groups (and not just women, either).&nbsp;
Do you really expect the State to condone those types of attitudes?
<p>I would support a sober, unemotional examination of what exactly is
being filtered.&nbsp; But the tone of the original letter suggests that
is not going to be the case in the September 27 meeting.&nbsp; Evan, that
sort of activity only polarizes groups instead of inviting a common ground.
<p>Perhaps a committee, including students and administration, would be
a better choice.
<p>Just my $0.02
<p>-- Catherine '92
<br>(who recently got the NCSSM'92 vanity plate in North Carolina!&nbsp;
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From rbrannon@cortexvision.com  Sun Sep 24 22:36:18 2000
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:36:18 -0400
From: Rob Brannon/Cortexvision rbrannon@cortexvision.com
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

Off topic but. . . .

Jeffery D. Spaleta on 09/24/2000 17:02:55 wrote:

> -jef
> 
> NCSSM '93 3rd West

How many people on this list include their floor/hall affiliation in their 
emails?  Now that's hall spirit!  Go 3rd West!

Back on topic. . . .  I think that <censored>!  Any <censored> who 
<censored> should go <censored> themselves.

Rob
'92 3rd West






From jhborwic@unity.ncsu.edu  Mon Sep 25 15:53:37 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:53:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Borwick jhborwic@unity.ncsu.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

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Mr. Basket and the world at large,

	Were students contacted about implementing internet
filtering?  Has the student population been given a chance to speak their
mind on the issue and decide for themselves?  Because many students at
NCSSM are smart enough to circumvent filtering systems, you must have
their permission before implementing such systems--and if you have their
permission and trust then you might as well not filter web pages.  Student
input must be obtained before systems are implemented--otherwise they will
try to "mobilize the campus" because they feel slandered and intentionally
ignored by the administration.

I'd be interested to know which software Science & Math is using,
specifically, to filter out content.

My understanding is that filtering software uses two basic tools:

1. lists of web pages that are banned
2. lists of words/filenames/image specs that should not be used

#1 may prevent some material from being shown but it's reactive, not
proactive.  #1 is also only effective if the web pages listed are banned
by people, not robots--otherwise it's likely to be a variant of #2.

#2 will filter out pages heavy-handedly.  As others have mentioned,
programs that filter out "gay" or "lesbian" will filter out "gay
rights".  Even filtering out "XXX Porn" will filter out this message if
posted to an archive, or articles called "XXX Porn is bad".

Filtering should especially not be implemented (or if implemented, should
be removed) because many students at NCSSM are knowledgable enough to
bypass it.  People that disagree with the ban could use off-site accounts
to email web pages (bypassing #2) or could set up proxy servers with
clients that decrypt pages after they're received (#2)  or that change
banned words to non-banned words (like 's@e@x' vs. 'sex') or muck with the
URL to avoid #1 above.

I hate to be a radical, but oh well.  If any students want to bypass
internet filtering just let me know and we'll see if I can set up some
scripts for you off site.  Just let me know what filtering software S&M is
using.

John Borwick
NC State University Computer Science & English major
c/o 1998


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From eclauset@webslingerZ.com  Mon Sep 25 16:00:30 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:00:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ethan eclauset@webslingerZ.com
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

also http://www.peacefire.com has lots of information on why filtering
doesn't work as intended and how to bypass it.  does _anyone_ have any
facts on what exactly is being filtered?

ethan clauset '91 2nd bryan






From Catherine.Hardee@ncmail.net  Mon Sep 25 16:04:28 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:04:28 -0400
From: Catherine Hardee Catherine.Hardee@ncmail.net
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

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John Borwick wrote:

>         Were students contacted about implementing internet
> filtering?  Has the student population been given a chance to speak their
> mind on the issue and decide for themselves?

I thought NCSSM students didn't pay tuition.  I know we certainly didn't when
I was there.  "He who pays the piper calls the tune."  It should be the
taxpayers who are represented by the administration, not the students, who
make that decision.  Sorry to sound establishment oriented (and those of you
who know me: QUIT LAUGHING!) but this is reality.

> Because many students at
> NCSSM are smart enough to circumvent filtering systems, you must have
> their permission before implementing such systems--and if you have their
> permission and trust then you might as well not filter web pages.

This is not a good enough reason to get student permission.  I think as a
courtesy that the student input should be considered, but ultimately the
decision is up to those who have to answer to those who pay the money.

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From MrsToast@aol.com  Mon Sep 25 16:20:00 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:20:00 EDT
From: MrsToast@aol.com MrsToast@aol.com
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

In a message dated 9/25/00 10:55:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jhborwic@unity.ncsu.edu writes:

> Were students contacted about implementing internet
>  filtering?  Has the student population been given a chance to speak their
>  mind on the issue and decide for themselves?  Because many students at
>  NCSSM are smart enough to circumvent filtering systems, you must have
>  their permission before implementing such systems--and if you have their
>  permission and trust then you might as well not filter web pages.  Student
>  input must be obtained before systems are implemented--otherwise they will
>  try to "mobilize the campus" because they feel slandered and intentionally
>  ignored by the administration.  

I really, really must respond to this.

Ask the student's permission to filter porn???????  

HELLO?!!  Anybody home?

The student's, for the most part, are NOT legal adults.  Those that are 18 
are still bound to the agreements they entered into with the school.  The 
school IS legally responsible to attend to their welfare AND uphold the law.  
Duh.  

Do you propose next that the school hold a student vote as to whether Big 
Macs should be on the menu at the cafeteria breakfast, lunch & dinner?  What 
their curfew & limitations for leaving campus should be?  What course of 
study is required to graduate?  Whether they have to go to class at all?  (Of 
course, I held my own private vote on that as a student . . )

I'm not saying that student's shouldn't have a say in anything, and granted, 
if they want to circumvent filtering, it will happen.  Just know that by 
providing help in that regard, you sir, will be contributing to the 
commission of a crime.  Are you that dedicated to the proposition that under 
age children MUST have access to porn to live your idealized concept of 
"freedom?"  Perhaps you could start a taxi service from the campus to some 
tit bars. 

Melissa Toast
Mother of 2, Taxpayer, Enjoyer of Porn




From briggs@ninthwonder.com  Mon Sep 25 16:23:46 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:23:46 -0400
From: Allen Briggs briggs@ninthwonder.com
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 09:52:45AM -0400, Catherine Hardee wrote:
> Allowing persons to use State-owned equipment to access questionable sites
> essentially giving the State's approval for the activities of those sites.

However, once the state starts filtering, they are taking on the
responsibility of censorship.  Not only getting it right (i.e., not
blocking sites/info that you don't want blocked), but also defining
what is objectionable.  Some people would find anything relating to
homosexuals objectionable.

By and large, my opinion is that blocking things "to protect people" is
a bad idea.  Blocking things that are actively hostile (i.e., sources
of hacking attempts, sources of excessive bandwidth utilization, etc.)
is a different story.  The usual arguments apply--if you try to hide
things from people, they don't learn how to deal with them and may, in
fact, be more inclined to seek out the forbidden...

Network monitoring is a fact of life, but I don't expect anyone to
examine specific sessions (email, web, ftp, whatever) for content.
I do expect basic profiling of traffic and monitoring for suspicious
activity (i.e., fingerprints of known hacking techniques, etc.).

-allen





From edest@mse.ufl.edu  Mon Sep 25 15:27:01 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:27:01 GMT
From: edest@mse.ufl.edu edest@mse.ufl.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM


Although I hate the idea of censorship, what you must remember is that NCSSM
and the state can be legally responsible for students' actions while on (and
sometimes off) campus.  Since most of you are minors, this can create a problem
when parents discover that NCSSM has given their minor children access to "bad"
sites.  Although most NCSSM students consider themselves mature enough to make
their own decisions, this doesn't change the fact that in the eyes of most of
your parents, the school, and most importantly the courts, you are still minors.
 In the event of something as tragic as an accident (such as the bomb incident
that took the life of the NCSSM alum), if this occurred while a student was
at NCSSM, and if student's actions could be traced back to an internet website
that was accessed from an NCSSM lab or dorm room, then the school could be (and
probably would be) held liable.  

If I were the administration, I'd censor too.  The legal issues are too great
to ignore.  If I were still a student at NCSSM, I'd be complaining just as much
as the students who have been voicing concerns.  Both groups have very valid
arguments and should be talking to one another regarding this issue.  Perhaps
a monitored computer lab with no censoring can be established to enable access
to good websites that inadvertantly get censored due to the ineffective filtering
software.  

Good luck resolving this issue. 

Schultz DeStephens
c/o 95

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>Mr. Basket and the world at large,
>
>	Were students contacted about implementing internet
>filtering?  Has the student population been given a chance to speak their
>mind on the issue and decide for themselves?  Because many students at
>NCSSM are smart enough to circumvent filtering systems, you must have
>their permission before implementing such systems--and if you have their
>permission and trust then you might as well not filter web pages.  Student

>input must be obtained before systems are implemented--otherwise they will

>try to "mobilize the campus" because they feel slandered and intentionally

>ignored by the administration.
>
>I'd be interested to know which software Science & Math is using,
>specifically, to filter out content.
>
>My understanding is that filtering software uses two basic tools:
>
>1. lists of web pages that are banned
>2. lists of words/filenames/image specs that should not be used
>
>#1 may prevent some material from being shown but it's reactive, not
>proactive.  #1 is also only effective if the web pages listed are banned
>by people, not robots--otherwise it's likely to be a variant of #2.
>
>#2 will filter out pages heavy-handedly.  As others have mentioned,
>programs that filter out "gay" or "lesbian" will filter out "gay
>rights".  Even filtering out "XXX Porn" will filter out this message if
>posted to an archive, or articles called "XXX Porn is bad".
>
>Filtering should especially not be implemented (or if implemented, should
>be removed) because many students at NCSSM are knowledgable enough to
>bypass it.  People that disagree with the ban could use off-site accounts
>to email web pages (bypassing #2) or could set up proxy servers with
>clients that decrypt pages after they're received (#2)  or that change
>banned words to non-banned words (like 's@e@x' vs. 'sex') or muck with the

>URL to avoid #1 above.
>
>I hate to be a radical, but oh well.  If any students want to bypass
>internet filtering just let me know and we'll see if I can set up some
>scripts for you off site.  Just let me know what filtering software S&M is

>using.
>
>John Borwick
>NC State University Computer Science & English major
>c/o 1998
>
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From tarus@sortova.com  Mon Sep 25 16:31:02 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:31:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Tarus Balog tarus@sortova.com
Subject: I'm old (was RE: Student Censorship at NCSSM)

Ah, it is so nice to see the list active again. 
Unfortunately, my reception of some of the traffic 
was such that I received several messages out of 
order, but I think I have the gist of everything now.

It seems that good ol' S&M is installing a proxy 
server on campus, which will easily enable the school 
to track Internet traffic.  This has caused a certain 
group called AIR to get upset, and they have called 
for sort of a town meeting to discuss the issue.

Have I got it right so far?

First, proxy servers are not bad things.  In many 
cases they are indispensible for separating private 
and public networks (this message went through one). 
As with any centralized bottleneck, their main 
problem is the speed at which they can handle 
requests.

Second, since all the traffic is going through one 
machine (or a cluster of machines acting as one) a 
side benefit is the ability to monitor all of that 
traffic.

Finally, since it is the central point for web 
traffic, various kinds of traffic can be blocked.

After thinking about the issue from many sides, my 
advice is "get used to it".

The students and the faculty of S&M do not directly 
pay for Internet access. Like the Internet access 
provided at almost all workplaces these days, the 
company owns it, and all of the content that passes 
through it. They can legally read your mail, 
monitored what web sites you use, and there is little 
you can do about it as long as they tell you they are 
or can do it.

Don't like it? Get your own access. As far as I know, 
MindSpring doesn't care if you spend all day at 
smutpuppy.com as long as you send in your $19.95 a 
month. When I was at S&M you could get a phone in 
your room. Problem solved.

And please don't bring up the "I pay taxes" thing.  
By the same reasoning I should be able to tell a 
policeman to do as I please because "I pay taxes". It 
doesn't buy you a seat on the Board.

I have also heard a lot of talk about the 
Constitution. Remember that the Constitution has been 
extremely successful because it is very broad. Courts 
will come and go that will attempt to clarify a point 
or two, but luckily the body if not the spirit of the 
document will remain intact. Free speech does not 
mean you can yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, and I 
am also sad to say that all of the rights in that 
grand document are not fully vested until you are an 
adult. Whether that is 18 or 21, I'll let the courts 
decide.

What is my solution to the "proxy log" issue? Make 
the logs public. Put them on a web page. One company 
I worked at used this tactic and it worked pretty 
well. It would not censor any content unless it 
became obvious that the system was being abused. 
While many would agree that they don't want a public 
school to have access to penthouse.com, what about 
the Sport Illustrated swimsuit site? It's a pretty 
gray area, and in these cases the most effective 
solution is one that is self-policing.

If you are real concerned about your privacy, 
consider taking steps that bypass who controls the 
network. One easy method is to use PGP for e-mail. It 
is free and works with most major mail readers 
(http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html).

A few final notes:

>>> If you are using the network for the purposes 
intended, why would it even matter
>>> if they were keeping logs of your activity?

>> This sort of opinion, particularly the last 
sentence, scares the hell out of me.

> Why does this scare the hell out of you, exactly?  
I severely dislike it
> when people make a statement like that with no 
reasoning behind it, just an
> opinion (a red zinger opinion at that).

I guess this is a case of "know your audience". I 
understood perfectly what was meant, but it obviously 
missed the mark somewhere. Information is extremely 
powerful, today more than ever. If you don't care who 
is looking at your web usage, what about your 
finances or health records? One thing that is 
inherent in the Constitution is the right to a 
reasonable amount of privacy. Roe vs. Wade, one of 
the most hotly contested decisions ever, was based 
upon privacy. Ask. Question. It is important and a 
lackadasical attitude about it is scary.

(Now don't try to take the privacy argument and apply 
it to the proxy server: while one can be naked in 
one's own house, doing it on a public bus is a 
different matter. S&M's network is a public bus).

On this note I applaud the AIR for questioning the 
server. Having private logs would create problems. 
But I have to take off points for their methods.

> Ask yourselves, "is this really the case?"
> We'll answer for you.  It's not.

Just as you should question authority, *always* 
question those who ask you to think and then 
immediately tell you how to do it. Civil Disobedience 
is great when all available channels have been 
exhausted, but otherwise it stands the danger of 
decending into rhetoric.  From Warren's letter it 
seems that these concerns were not formally brought 
to the attention of Student Life.  Who knows, you may 
get lucky and get your way without a huge fight. Or 
you may be able to decide on a compromise. At the 
very least, if you get no satisfaction you have a 
flag to rally around.

Those who bypass channels in an effort to garner 
popular support for their "cause" may have another 
agenda.

Anyway, I have droned on long enough. I only wish I 
knew half of what I thought I knew when I was at S&M. 
That is not meant as a criticism, only as a charge to 
hold on to that idealism as long as you can, before 
it makes you cynical like me. And always remember to 
think for yourself, it is one thing no one can take 
away from you.

-T






From sgcapps@kconline.com  Mon Sep 25 17:37:15 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:37:15 -0600
From: Susan G. Capps, Ph.D. sgcapps@kconline.com
Subject: A request

When there's a discussion going on the alumni list, could
you pls indicate your graduating class? It would help at
least one old fogie (me) keep some of the discussion in
perspective.

Susan Glass (now Capps) '83

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       BENSOL -- Biological Engineering Solutions
           P.O. Box 861, Warsaw, IN 46581-0861
 "Targeting Your Analysis and Communication Needs"
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From jgk3@duke.edu  Mon Sep 25 16:34:59 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:34:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gray Kimbrough jgk3@duke.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Catherine Hardee wrote:

> John Borwick wrote:
> 
> >         Were students contacted about implementing internet
> > filtering?  Has the student population been given a chance to speak their
> > mind on the issue and decide for themselves?
> 
> I thought NCSSM students didn't pay tuition.  I know we certainly didn't when
> I was there.  "He who pays the piper calls the tune."  It should be the
> taxpayers who are represented by the administration, not the students, who
> make that decision.  Sorry to sound establishment oriented (and those of you
> who know me: QUIT LAUGHING!) but this is reality.

	I must say that I don't quite see your point.  I've attended 
public schools all my life, and yet I suppose I expected that the 
administration cared to some extent about my interests.  Maybe that was 
just me being overly optimistic, but then this begs the question, at what 
point do I start to matter?  If I go to UNC and pay, what, $1500 a year in 
tuition, does my voice suddenly matter?  If I go to Duke and pay $25k in 
tuition, does my voice matter, or is it still drowned out by money from 
alums and the endowment and such?  Or should I just give up and recognize 
that I'll never pay enough for my education to drown out the establishment?
	Quite a few questions, but more like musings, really.  I must say 
that, having been gone all weekend, I was caught off guard by the inbox 
flood known as the alum list.  Anybody have any thoughts on this?

--Gray

c/o '99

and yes, I already know the answer to that question is yes :-)





From campbelm@courant.nyu.edu  Mon Sep 25 16:43:55 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:43:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mary Campbell campbelm@courant.nyu.edu
Subject: censorship brouhaha

I need to know some info about the people running the NCSSM network -- are
they very skilled at this job? (I can't imagine NCSSM can afford to
pay a competent sys admin.)  Because they're going to have a hell of a
time keeping controls on current students who really want to get at "smut".  

I see this censorship issue not so much a blow against student rights but as
an insult to the intelligence of current students.  Or perhaps the
administration really wants students to develop new hacking tools?  I mean,
many of my friends learned all sorts of nifty things with our mini-UNIX
network.  I remember learning how to send anonymous email (something that
had a practical application =just=once= ... when a certain somebody was
saving hot n spicy emails w/o protection... =ahem=)

In any case, I wonder what filtering software they plan to use.  Something
that works by site name?  Well, of course, there are easy ways to get around
that.  Something that works by keywords?  Well, how are pictures
handled?  And then, we know all the infamous stories of breast cancer
support groups being blocked by keyword filtering (And my favorite bible
verse "We have a little sister and she has no breasts" would also be
blocked.  My lord, what a nasty work the Bible is!  Public execution, people
stoned to death or ripped to shreds, incest, rape, fratricide, genocide,
human sacrifice... I could go on... but I digress.)

I'm just wondering who will be in charge of this selectivity.  I'm really
reminded of the most effective birth control -- abstinence.  If they don't
want any students accessing porn online, they could just loose the internet
connection.  It's all a matter of priorities.

mp
'92 -- 3rd Beall -- Marlene Now and Forever! ;) 
-- 
Mary Pat Campbell		I am woman; open the door.
campbelm@cims.nyu.edu		
http://www.math.nyu.edu/phd_students/campbelm/index.html
     CLAIMER: I speak for everyone, everywhere!  mwa ha ha ha ha




From barber@ncssm.edu  Mon Sep 25 16:41:47 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:41:47 -0400
From: Barber, Joan barber@ncssm.edu
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM

Thanks.  Your e-mail was informative.  However, when I read it,  I was
surprised because I had not received complaints from students regarding
censorship and other issues.  I look forward to meeting anytime today
(Monday, September 25, 2000) or any other day with students to address these
issues.  This will give us an opportunity to first identify student issues,
share with you some of our interests and work together for solutions.

The Student Life Division is determined to stay focused and demonstrate on a
daily basis that our students' quality of life here at NCSSM is our top
priority.

Clearly there is an issue and we (students, faculty, staff, administration,
parents) together can find a solution.  My door will be open all day, so
students, please feel free to come and tell me what's on your minds.    

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> Carol; Ruddock, Suzanna; Rush, Carl; Ryckman, Heather; Ryu, Junghyun;
> Sagdejev, Ildar; Saleeby, Jenny; Salter, Phia; Satterfield, Kat; Satz,
> Brian; Savanna; Scarboro, Benjamin; Scerbo, Siroberto; Schaefer, Kevin;
> Schlaefer, Peter; Schlesing, Andrew; Schlieper, Richard; Schmalbeck,
> Linda; Schmeltzle, Shaina; Schnell, Nicholette; Schrey, Hilary; Schulze,
> Sharon; Schwarz, Jordan; Scivally, Juan; Scott, Evan; Scronce, Gabrielle;
> Scronce, Guy; Seila, Robin; SGA; Shafer, Paul; Shah, Rickin; Shah, Sejal;
> Shahid-El, Fatimah; Shahid-El, Laila; Sharma, Krishn; Sharpton, Keith;
> Shattuck, Scott Jr; Shaver, Tarah; Sheets, Frank; Sherouse, Perry;
> Shields, Shirley; Shin, Jiyeon; Shinouda, Nancy; Shlensky, Jane; Shoun,
> Abby; Sikkink, Julie; Silverman, Aaron; Simon, Chelsea; Simpson, Ja'Nelle;
> Sims, Sophilia; Skidmore, Gretchen; Smith, Avery; Smith, Benjamin; Smith,
> David; Smith, David (trustee); Smith, Jacqueline A (Jr); Smith, Jacqueline
> G (Sr); Smith, John L; Smith-Holliman, Tonya; Snyder, Nicholas; Solomon,
> Isaac; Solomon, Laura; Somerday, Megan; Spielvogel, Ryan; Spivey, Jeremy;
> Spruill, Willie; Sridhar, Meera; Stackhouse, James; Stadter, Lucia;
> Stamps, Dennis; Steele, Michael; Steen, Ken; Stein, David; Steinhauer,
> Adrian; Stern, Carole; Stewart, Douglas; Stewart, Jessica; Stewart,
> Linwood; Stewart, Margaret; Stowe, David; Stranges, Peter; Strickland,
> Sarah; Sturgeon, Brad; Suggs, Tonya; Suggs, Trent; Suitt, Linwood;
> Summerford, Ginger; Tajuddin, Brian; Talley, Allis; Talton, Meredith;
> Tang, Shan; Taxis, Therese; Taylor, Chris; Taylor, Larry; Teague, Dan;
> Tedford, Samantha; Terrell, Donny; Thapar, Nidhi; Thompson, Jasmine;
> Thompson, Mary; Thompson, Russ; Tighe, Bevin; Tillery, Mary; Tingler,
> Moriah; Titrington, Adam; Treskunov, Denis; Tripp, Buddy; Trocano, Tom;
> Trott, Alison Carroll; Troxler, JW; Turner, Anne-Marie; Turner, Blair;
> Turner, Lisa; Tye, Justin; Tyndall, Brandon; Tyson, Julia; Uhing, James;
> Ulrich, Margaret; Underwood, Alexis; Upchurch, Bob; Upchurch, Mervin;
> Upchurch, Virginia; Uppal, Abhineet; Vample, Claudine; Varner, Richard;
> Ventimiglia, Joyce; Vinson, Marc; Vizer, Dustin; Voorhees, Catherine;
> Voss, Chad; Vu, Quyen; Waghorne, Dick; Wagstaff, Jessica; Wagstaff, Katie;
> Wahnefried, Nicholas; Waite-Jones, Christopher; Walker, Becky; Wall,
> Stephanie; Walters, Natalie; Wantuch, Holly; Ward, Aaron; Warren, Ann;
> Warren, Emily; Warshaw, Steve; Watlington, Katherine; Watson, Danny;
> Watson, David; Watts, Candis; Watts, Robert; Weed, Brett; Welch,
> Katherine; Wells, Jonathan; Wentworth, Sean; West, Brett; West, Lindsay;
> West, Whitney; Westervelt, Amy; White, Cassandra; White, John; White,
> Joseph; White, Robert; Whitfield, Douglas; Whitlock, Elizabeth; Whitt,
> Deborah; Wiggins, Rasheed; Williams, Chip; Williams, Joan; Williams, John
> III; Williams, Kathleen; Williams, LaToya; Williams, Nikolas; Williams,
> Quanda; Wilson, Erica; Wilson, Ginger; Wilson, Michael; Wilson, Sarah;
> Wilson-Short, Gareth; Winborne, Angelina; Wingo, Rebecca; Winn, Jonathan;
> Winterling, Brandon; Winters, Loren; Wise, Aaron; Witt, Eileen; Wong,
> Caroline; Wong, Jason; Wong, Melody; Woo, Ram; Wood, Trent; Woodmansee,
> John; Woolard, David; Wrayno, Paul; Wright, Camille; Wright, John; Yerger,
> Talen; Yockey, Elizabeth; Yoon, Jae-Hoon; Yu, David; Yuan, Derek; Yue,
> Yuan; Yutzy, Rebeca; Zane, Courtney; Zhang, Yun; Zhou, Mingrui
> Cc:	Olbert, Charles; Sherouse, Perry; Lee, Benjamin; Scronce, Guy;
> Herzog, Elizabeth; Clearfield, Christopher; Titrington, Adam; Boarman,
> Jerry; Barber, Joan; Warshaw, Steve; McSherry, Eileen; Clayton, Thomas;
> Alston, Richard
> Subject:	Student Censorship at NCSSM
> 
> Dear NCSSM Students and Staff - 
> 
> 	NCSSM is a community where there supposedly exists a freedom to
> learn and grow both academically and socially.  Being a residential high
> school, the students supposedly come first, and it is stated that we, the
> student body, are on the same level as the executive director and board of
> trustees.  Ask yourselves, "is this really the case?"  We'll answer for
> you.  It's not.
> 
> 	Many of you are disillusioned with the school; many people complain
> about a multitude of grievances and annoyances, but feel powerless to
> address these issues.  There are systemic problems with student life, a
> perceived ineffectiveness of student-based groups such as SGA and APC, and
> bizarre implementations of the judicial code.  This is blatantly shown
> through the recent addition of a "proxy server" and filtration software
> that monitors and restricts student access to knowledge and information on
> the internet.  Is such a "big brother" approach to student life what is
> needed at OUR school?  It seems to many that this is simply another aspect
> of a general distrust of students by the administration and student life
> staffs.
> 
> 	Instead of simply complaining about the problem, we consider it
> necessary to take direct and immediate action against any policy or
> implemenation that violates the trust between students and adults on
> campus.  As such, we would like to hold a speakout regarding the
> censorship and distrust of students this Wednesday, September 27th, with
> the hope of achieving immediate removal of any filtering and logging of
> students by the ITS staff.  Also, we hope that by opening a grassroots
> line of communication to the administration, student issues can begin to
> be addressed seriously and effectively.
> 
> 	Please come express your views about the community as they relate to
> student life on Wednesday, September 27th at 6:30 P.M. in the assembly
> hall.  Your presence is needed so that we can stop the censorship and
> surveillance of students!  Thank you for your time.
> 
> -- The members of AIR: Actively Instigating Reform




From campbelm@courant.nyu.edu  Mon Sep 25 16:54:25 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:54:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mary Campbell campbelm@courant.nyu.edu
Subject: censorship brouhaha pt. 2

oops, I'm sorry, I see that it's not filtering software but a proxy
server.  Still, there are plenty of ways to get what you want without the
powers-that-be knowing what you're getting.  And of course, they don't
really have the time to spend checking out everything the students look
at.  Things will fall through the cracks.  Again, I don't think this will
have much impact other than the students who want to get illegal stuff (or,
at least, highly suspect) will be sneakier.

and good for them.  Every generation of teens need to learn how to subvert
authority on their own.  Now that I've been an authority figure, I know many
ways that kids can subvert me, but =I'm= certainly not going to tell them
how.  It's for them to figure it out.  I didn't even tell my younger sisters
how to sneak candy up into their rooms (or how to steal each other's
candy... didn't they =know= why I counted every piece of my Easter haul?)  

So, if I were a student at S&M now, I wouldn't make too much of a fuss
(well, make a little... otherwise, the adults will get suspicious).  You're
not going to be able to change much in how the system is run -- you simply
do not hold the power.  And beyond this, I'm not saying another word.

Figure it out for yourself.

mp


 -- 
Mary Pat Campbell		I am woman; open the door.
campbelm@cims.nyu.edu		
http://www.math.nyu.edu/phd_students/campbelm/index.html
     CLAIMER: I speak for everyone, everywhere!  mwa ha ha ha ha




From jspaleta@Princeton.EDU  Mon Sep 25 17:02:13 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:02:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeffrey D. Spaleta jspaleta@Princeton.EDU
Subject: Student Censorship at NCSSM


Well it seems there are two issues here.

Active filtering:
  Information is block before it is viewed.

and passive session monitoring:
  Logging of session information to keep tabs of information as it is
viewed.

I'm confused as to which is going on.

Until I know more specifics about what the school is using there is
nothing contructive left for me to say here.  Yes, the school has a legal
duty to protect students, but active filtering does not work as advertised
and its a poor solution(false negatives and false positives are common).  

In any case it looks like I have a reason to re-setup my anonymous
proxy web server so NCSSM students can get access to some "blocked" sites.

I encourage current NCSSM students to get in touch with me if they are
interested in using my server to get around the censorship.  

I also encourage other NCSSM alums to set-up their own anonymous proxy's
if they feel that active filtering/monitoring is not in the best interest
of the NCSSM community.  It's easy to add a block for my site if the
admins find out about it, but if there were several people running servers
it gets much harder for the computer admins to keep up and block them all.

Peacefire.org also has a wonderful section on how to get around a lot
of censoreware products....the only problem is peacefire.org tends to be
censored.  


Well that's it.  On one final note its nice to see the list used for
something thought provoking, instead of random spammage.  NCSSM is in a
rather unique and hairy situation here.  I'm very suprised they are even
considering dormnet access.  

-jef"more hall spirit than you can shake a stick at"spaleta

'93 3rd West





From Catherine.Hardee@ncmail.net  Mon Sep 25 17:02:31 2000
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:02:31 -0400
From: Catherine Hardee Catherine.Hardee@ncmail.net
Subject: [Fwd: Re: censorship brouhaha]

I really need to learn the difference between "reply" and "reply all."
<sigh>
--Catherine '92

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